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Dark Lady Eclipsa
Darth Krayt
Darth Trebonius
maxy
Blackdragon
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I don't like Obama
Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
- Posts : 22
Join date : 2009-10-04
Location : United States
- Post n°1
I don't like Obama
All Hail the Messiah
Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
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Join date : 2009-10-04
Location : United States
- Post n°3
Re: I don't like Obama
Me too
Darth Trebonius- Posts : 4
Join date : 2009-10-10
Age : 33
- Post n°4
Commie!
That vid just about sums up Hussein.
Darth Krayt- Lord of the Sith
- Posts : 99
Join date : 2009-10-01
Age : 44
Location : seattle
- Post n°5
Re: I don't like Obama
Are you guy's kidding me. glen beck is a total doosh bag dumb anti christ. Socialism is just another ism for the republicans to through around. So the can scare all the christian dumb fucks into forming groups like the T baggers. LOL I cant believe they still dont know what a T bagger is. What a bunch of dumb asses dont even know what they are protesting over. A public option in our health care is exactly what the American people need. We have one of the worst health care programs in the world. I think we are ranked like 56th, and people like glen beck try to say we have the best health care in the world. If he was a true American he would trying to improve our country instead of ignoring all of our problems, and calling anyone who try's to change things a socialist. We need to take some of the power and greed away from the insurance companies. Obama is a politician just like the rest of them. They all are lobbied by corporations to make sure laws that benefit the people or our planet are never past. Anything that affects profit is just buried in the bureaucratic mess we call a government. Obamas biggest flaw is trying to appeal to the gop and meat them in the middle. There is no middle when your a ridiculous person like glen beck. Your ether with him or your Hitler. He has to be one of the worst people on this planet alive today.
That video was one of the worst propaganda videos I have ever seen. It made me laugh though thanks for that I guess.
That video was one of the worst propaganda videos I have ever seen. It made me laugh though thanks for that I guess.
maxy- Posts : 28
Join date : 2009-10-31
- Post n°6
Re: I don't like Obama
i dont care for most of glenn beck's polytics but he does make you laugh doesnt he?
im not really interested in arguing about this but i have to disagree with you krayt
that is all we should talk on this i think...
im not really interested in arguing about this but i have to disagree with you krayt
that is all we should talk on this i think...
Darth Krayt- Lord of the Sith
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Age : 44
Location : seattle
- Post n°7
Re: I don't like Obama
Politic (poli is Latin for more than one) tic (Bloodsucking parasite). I would like to keep all political post off the forum. Especially ignorant ones.
Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
- Posts : 22
Join date : 2009-10-04
Location : United States
- Post n°8
Re: I don't like Obama
I am not a republican and I don't agree with Obama
And our health care IS the best in the world. People come in from other countries to get their medical needs met because their public options don't let them
And also Socialism isn't just a word there is a definition for it in the dictionary. It is a system of economy where the government controls the business industry. Opposite of Capitalism where the people control the businesses in the economy.
And our health care IS the best in the world. People come in from other countries to get their medical needs met because their public options don't let them
And also Socialism isn't just a word there is a definition for it in the dictionary. It is a system of economy where the government controls the business industry. Opposite of Capitalism where the people control the businesses in the economy.
Dark Lady Eclipsa- High Lord Apprentice
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Join date : 2009-10-05
- Post n°9
Re: I don't like Obama
sorry krayt, but i have to say that to blackdragon
the usa is a great country, unique just like every state in this wourld. but all countries have their weaknesses and i must point out that the usa health system isnt the best one in the world, at least in my opinion. i know better ones, they are different, but they work. and the usa can have this too. its possible and nothing bad at all. whats so unacceptable if all are insured? imagine you are the one who is ill and you have no chance for a cure only because you can afford it. what would you think then? dont tell me that you cant imagine that you are ever gonna be in this situation and that you dont care.
the usa is a great country, unique just like every state in this wourld. but all countries have their weaknesses and i must point out that the usa health system isnt the best one in the world, at least in my opinion. i know better ones, they are different, but they work. and the usa can have this too. its possible and nothing bad at all. whats so unacceptable if all are insured? imagine you are the one who is ill and you have no chance for a cure only because you can afford it. what would you think then? dont tell me that you cant imagine that you are ever gonna be in this situation and that you dont care.
Darth Trebonius- Posts : 4
Join date : 2009-10-10
Age : 33
- Post n°10
Oh boy.
Personally I think health care needs work, but in my opinion this is not the way to go about it. Krayt, honestly I haven't been paying attention to Glen, but Im republican and I know what I stand for. There are only 2 names for many parties, not everyone in a party agrees to the same things. Maybe I missunderstood your rant if so sorry for keeping the issue going, but insulting another party because they do not agree with you is childish.
And honestly if you care that much about your health GO TO COLLEGE AND GET A JOB. The Govit makes it possible for everyone to go to college if they put forth the effort, and don't argue I have many relatives that have very low income that end up paying way less for college than I do. To many people make the excuse for not going to college because they couldn't afford it, its pathetic really, do your homework or shut up.
And honestly if you care that much about your health GO TO COLLEGE AND GET A JOB. The Govit makes it possible for everyone to go to college if they put forth the effort, and don't argue I have many relatives that have very low income that end up paying way less for college than I do. To many people make the excuse for not going to college because they couldn't afford it, its pathetic really, do your homework or shut up.
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Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
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- Post n°11
Re: I don't like Obama
To Lady Eclipsa,
As I said earlier, people from OUTSIDE the country come to us for health care. Why would that be so if our health care sucked and other countries had better ones??
And I have nothing against everyone being insured... there is just one fact that people aren't seeing... WE HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND ON PUBLIC HEALTH CARE. And the Keyword "Public" means that it is going to be paid for by taxes. Meaning it isn't really free... it will in actuality be more expensive than capitalist health insurance.
So ya Public health care would be all fine and dandy if it were true that it would be cheap health insurance but sadly its not.
To Darth Trebonius:
Very true most people should be able to afford health care if they just put forth the effort like your relatives. But sadly lots of people cant afford health care because they would rather watch tv all day with the infinite channels they are buying with the paycheck the government gives them for being poor -_-
As I said earlier, people from OUTSIDE the country come to us for health care. Why would that be so if our health care sucked and other countries had better ones??
And I have nothing against everyone being insured... there is just one fact that people aren't seeing... WE HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND ON PUBLIC HEALTH CARE. And the Keyword "Public" means that it is going to be paid for by taxes. Meaning it isn't really free... it will in actuality be more expensive than capitalist health insurance.
So ya Public health care would be all fine and dandy if it were true that it would be cheap health insurance but sadly its not.
To Darth Trebonius:
Very true most people should be able to afford health care if they just put forth the effort like your relatives. But sadly lots of people cant afford health care because they would rather watch tv all day with the infinite channels they are buying with the paycheck the government gives them for being poor -_-
Darth Trebonius- Posts : 4
Join date : 2009-10-10
Age : 33
- Post n°12
Politics and Religion, two no nos
Agreed, another problem is that private health care doesn't insure everyone for a reason. People who have pre-existing conditions will definatly need to use their healthcare often. The only reason health care works is because many people pay and few use (or thats the idea anyway) If everyone is insured than people who need hundreds of thousands of dollars of insurence get it, and guess what? up goes the premium. In a perfect world this health care would be amazingly awsome, but sadly this isn't a perfect world. I'd rather pay taxes to defense. (but honestly we need to nuke some countries out of existance....NK for instance, FU Kim Jung Il!)
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Dark Lady Eclipsa- High Lord Apprentice
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Join date : 2009-10-05
- Post n°13
Re: I don't like Obama
to balckdragon
i didnt say that your health care is bad, what i meant is that the system can be much better. sorry if i didnt made this clear. my english isnt that good....not living in the usa too.
of course money is always the problem, but as i already mentioned it is possible to run a public health care system, although it costs a hell lot of money. in the country i live in and in many others it works well.
people are much too miserly these days. dont you think that this is what taxes are made for? or do you wanna build your own road and your own public transport system and stuff like that. you pay for all this in form form of taxes and at my point of view the health insurance should be part of this. of course there are always people who just use this system, no matter how. but you cant prevent this.
to darth trebonius
ya you are actually right, i agree that you should go and get a job so you can afford it, but not everyone can be employed, there arent that many jobs, are there? at least children and teenager should be insured. but i think they already are, or?
i didnt say that your health care is bad, what i meant is that the system can be much better. sorry if i didnt made this clear. my english isnt that good....not living in the usa too.
of course money is always the problem, but as i already mentioned it is possible to run a public health care system, although it costs a hell lot of money. in the country i live in and in many others it works well.
people are much too miserly these days. dont you think that this is what taxes are made for? or do you wanna build your own road and your own public transport system and stuff like that. you pay for all this in form form of taxes and at my point of view the health insurance should be part of this. of course there are always people who just use this system, no matter how. but you cant prevent this.
to darth trebonius
ya you are actually right, i agree that you should go and get a job so you can afford it, but not everyone can be employed, there arent that many jobs, are there? at least children and teenager should be insured. but i think they already are, or?
Darth Trebonius- Posts : 4
Join date : 2009-10-10
Age : 33
- Post n°14
Yay for politics!
Kids are usually inured by their parents insurance, if not people need to realise that you can look elsewhere. When my mother was growing up her family didn't have health insurance and wouldn't have been able to afford the (at that time) costly eye surgeries if not for the Masons. There are many groups like that Shriners or the Masons that will help children. People just need to look for help.
Dark Lady Eclipsa- High Lord Apprentice
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Join date : 2009-10-05
- Post n°15
Re: I don't like Obama
thanks darth trebonius. i wasnt sure about it, as i never lived in the usa and i am used to a total different system
Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
- Posts : 22
Join date : 2009-10-04
Location : United States
- Post n°16
Re: I don't like Obama
Lady Eclipsa may I ask which country you are living in???
And ya we agree that Public Health Care costs a lot of money... but in the current state of the US we don't have a lot of money
And ya we agree that Public Health Care costs a lot of money... but in the current state of the US we don't have a lot of money
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Dark Lady Eclipsa- High Lord Apprentice
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Join date : 2009-10-05
- Post n°17
Re: I don't like Obama
i live in austria. please no funny coments on this topic.
btw, you can call me just eclipsa
btw, you can call me just eclipsa
Blackdragon- High Lord Apprentice
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Location : United States
- Post n°18
Re: I don't like Obama
Australia is cool... havn't heard much about the systems down there though.
maxy- Posts : 28
Join date : 2009-10-31
- Post n°19
Re: I don't like Obama
ok i have to comment to close this up
there are 3 problems with public health care
1. it is very inefficient...
1) it requires lots of administration by the government to keep it running this costs a **** load and that money doesnt go to the people that need it
this is an important point to understand
2) people will try to cheat the system meaning that some of the money going into they system will not go to the people that need it
commonly called corruption
3) the government doesnt care about costs... they get all the money they need from taxes so streamlining the system to get the most out of each dollar put into the program doesnt matter to them
this causes what is commonly called a death spiral (takes 15-25 years to really show up)
2. it makes the government bigger...
1) the bigger the government the more power it takes. the more power it has the more control over the people it will have... thus freedom will eventually fade-away and the country will become a oligarchy instead of a republic. because the law will need to change to allow the government to continue to grow...
this is generally accepted as BAD by most people
2) political substructure aside: bigger government will cost more money, which is fine IF that cost is supplanted by better systems and freedom for the people to live their lives, and it gives a better life to everyone
i see no reason that this health care bill will do anything good except cost money and spread the wealth (which ill explain the problem at the bottom)
3) sometimes bigger government has benefits (cold-war it protected us) this is mostly during war for PROTECTING THE CITIZENS (IE defense and giving equal rights to everyone) those rights are (LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS) (if i remember correctly) NOT healthcare...
basically self evident eh?
3. it costs a **** load of money we currently dont have
1) since we are pretty much approaching our legal limit for national debt... this is a problem! something that even MIGHT cost a bunch more money is just a bad idea
esp since healthcare is one of the exponentially growth rate things that never gets smaller only bigger...
2) everything it seems it getting more expensive, so we really need to make everything smaller and more effective and more efficient even if it cuts out some people... this healthcare WONT become more efficent as time goes on it will only get bigger... "ergo" therefore it is bad...
I hope this makes sense
i didnt state anything extremely right wing, or anything that doesnt at least make sense to most degrees
i think we all agree that with the above said...
now can we stop arguing about it? the healthcare is bad (the way i see it)
not much more to talk about
if you disagree with my reasons then fine
but its not something that relates to the game, not something that should tear the alliance apart
(which will happen if we dont just drop it)
but now for a little thinking
1 read lion the witch and the wardrobe, "what do they teach them in the schools these days"
evedently not economics
(never even taken that but i can think)
and they dont teach people how to think
(they waste time on how to get laid ( "health class" )
watch this
and read this
ok now please end the discussion before we degenerate...
i hope you enjoyed everything
now lets stop arguing
you know why i dont like the healthcare bill and eclipsa has explained why you like the healthcare bill
can we just agree to disagree and end this now?
thanks for reading
maxy
there are 3 problems with public health care
1. it is very inefficient...
1) it requires lots of administration by the government to keep it running this costs a **** load and that money doesnt go to the people that need it
this is an important point to understand
2) people will try to cheat the system meaning that some of the money going into they system will not go to the people that need it
commonly called corruption
3) the government doesnt care about costs... they get all the money they need from taxes so streamlining the system to get the most out of each dollar put into the program doesnt matter to them
this causes what is commonly called a death spiral (takes 15-25 years to really show up)
2. it makes the government bigger...
1) the bigger the government the more power it takes. the more power it has the more control over the people it will have... thus freedom will eventually fade-away and the country will become a oligarchy instead of a republic. because the law will need to change to allow the government to continue to grow...
this is generally accepted as BAD by most people
2) political substructure aside: bigger government will cost more money, which is fine IF that cost is supplanted by better systems and freedom for the people to live their lives, and it gives a better life to everyone
i see no reason that this health care bill will do anything good except cost money and spread the wealth (which ill explain the problem at the bottom)
3) sometimes bigger government has benefits (cold-war it protected us) this is mostly during war for PROTECTING THE CITIZENS (IE defense and giving equal rights to everyone) those rights are (LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS) (if i remember correctly) NOT healthcare...
basically self evident eh?
3. it costs a **** load of money we currently dont have
1) since we are pretty much approaching our legal limit for national debt... this is a problem! something that even MIGHT cost a bunch more money is just a bad idea
esp since healthcare is one of the exponentially growth rate things that never gets smaller only bigger...
2) everything it seems it getting more expensive, so we really need to make everything smaller and more effective and more efficient even if it cuts out some people... this healthcare WONT become more efficent as time goes on it will only get bigger... "ergo" therefore it is bad...
I hope this makes sense
i didnt state anything extremely right wing, or anything that doesnt at least make sense to most degrees
i think we all agree that with the above said...
now can we stop arguing about it? the healthcare is bad (the way i see it)
not much more to talk about
if you disagree with my reasons then fine
but its not something that relates to the game, not something that should tear the alliance apart
(which will happen if we dont just drop it)
but now for a little thinking
1 read lion the witch and the wardrobe, "what do they teach them in the schools these days"
evedently not economics
(never even taken that but i can think)
and they dont teach people how to think
(they waste time on how to get laid ( "health class" )
watch this
and read this
- Spoiler:
- Explaining our tax system with beer
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes
to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every
day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw
them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said,
'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beers by $20. Drinks for the
ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first
four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the
other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so
that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided
by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then
the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid
to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to
reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work
out the amounts each should pay. And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before and the first four continued to
drink for free, but once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their
savings. 'I only got a dollar out of the $20,' declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!' 'Yeah, that's
right, exclaimed
the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got
TEN times more than I!' 'That's true!' shouted the seventh
man. 'Why should he get
$10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks! 'Wait a
minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat
down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
discovered something very important....they didn't have enough money between
all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax
system works. The people who pay the highest taxes DO get the most benefit from
a tax reduction. They also PAY more than the rest. Tax them too much, attack
them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they
might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
Michigan State University
ok now please end the discussion before we degenerate...
i hope you enjoyed everything
now lets stop arguing
you know why i dont like the healthcare bill and eclipsa has explained why you like the healthcare bill
can we just agree to disagree and end this now?
thanks for reading
maxy
Dark Lady Eclipsa- High Lord Apprentice
- Posts : 32
Join date : 2009-10-05
- Post n°20
Re: I don't like Obama
thank you maxy. i dont agree with you at all points, but i think its best to just stop this now as you said. it was nice discussing it with yous guys, but i guess it wouldnt end good.
blackdragon. dont get me wrong at this point, but it makes me sick that people think that austria and australia is the same country. its definitely not.
blackdragon. dont get me wrong at this point, but it makes me sick that people think that austria and australia is the same country. its definitely not.
Darth Millennial- Dark Lord Apprentice
- Posts : 108
Join date : 2009-10-01
Age : 31
Location : My Darkness Within
- Post n°21
Re: I don't like Obama
Absolutely agree, maxy. I was gonna post something like that when I saw that it was already well done. Couldn't agree more. Tax cuts affects more to the rich as they have a larger base number than the poor. However the tax burden is not as heavy compared to the poor, so even if the poor are paying less in absolute terms, they are paying more in relative terms. People compare themselves with each other relatively. Therefore it is not going to work. The public healthcare bill is nothing to be happy about too, as maxy has already pointed out. It does really little per capita but makes the govt. look good. And that has already gone far enough with the pop star Obama sitting right at the head of it.
Darth Krayt- Lord of the Sith
- Posts : 99
Join date : 2009-10-01
Age : 44
Location : seattle
- Post n°23
Re: I don't like Obama
OK I just have one last thing to say. You want to see how the U.S. ranks in health care here it is http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
We are 37th NOT 1st. People come here because we have good surgeons, and doctors not health care. In fact many Americans including our elderly go to Canada for medical attention and medicine.
American medical care may be the most expensive in the world, but that does not mean it is worth every penny. A study to be released Thursday highlights the stark contrast between what the United States spends on its health system and the quality of care it delivers, especially when compared with many other industrialized nations.
I am not talking about more expensive health care just better. I am vary excited about the new health care bill that just past Unfortunately it is not enough.
As for the ignorant comments about education. I have finished my collage education. I have a good job and health insurance. That has nothing to do with good health care.
I agree big government is bad. The people should control the government not the other way around. The problem with capitalism is that it gives corporations far more power then the people. Corporations have WAY more money to through around. Witch is why most laws past today benefit big business not the American people.
LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Both life and happiness depend on good health care, not expensive good.
I am not republican or democrat. They both have far to many flaws, and I dont understand why when you say something against a party like the republicans people take so personally. I like you all and value your pinions. I love the U.S. otherwise I wouldnt live here. I just think the most un American things you can do is claim that that the U.S. is flawless. We will never grow if we dont realize
that we have a lot of growing to do.
I think you all are great. I love playing ogame with you. I agree with Maxy lets end this topic.
P.S. Blackdragon I have to laugh at you for the Austria, Australia thing. You do realize they speak English in Australia. Why would Eclipsa have problems with English if she was Australian?
Anyway enough of this.
We are 37th NOT 1st. People come here because we have good surgeons, and doctors not health care. In fact many Americans including our elderly go to Canada for medical attention and medicine.
American medical care may be the most expensive in the world, but that does not mean it is worth every penny. A study to be released Thursday highlights the stark contrast between what the United States spends on its health system and the quality of care it delivers, especially when compared with many other industrialized nations.
I am not talking about more expensive health care just better. I am vary excited about the new health care bill that just past Unfortunately it is not enough.
As for the ignorant comments about education. I have finished my collage education. I have a good job and health insurance. That has nothing to do with good health care.
I agree big government is bad. The people should control the government not the other way around. The problem with capitalism is that it gives corporations far more power then the people. Corporations have WAY more money to through around. Witch is why most laws past today benefit big business not the American people.
LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Both life and happiness depend on good health care, not expensive good.
I am not republican or democrat. They both have far to many flaws, and I dont understand why when you say something against a party like the republicans people take so personally. I like you all and value your pinions. I love the U.S. otherwise I wouldnt live here. I just think the most un American things you can do is claim that that the U.S. is flawless. We will never grow if we dont realize
that we have a lot of growing to do.
I think you all are great. I love playing ogame with you. I agree with Maxy lets end this topic.
P.S. Blackdragon I have to laugh at you for the Austria, Australia thing. You do realize they speak English in Australia. Why would Eclipsa have problems with English if she was Australian?
Anyway enough of this.
maxy- Posts : 28
Join date : 2009-10-31
- Post n°24
Re: I don't like Obama
ok one last point before we close
how are the healthcare systems ranks
anyone can say so and so has the best healthcare (for anyreason really its more important how they rank us than where your ranked)
dont take everything at face value...
(havent looked into it and your probably right ours isnt the BEST but maybe its the best for OUR country? ever think of it that way??? or maybe its not and could be improved? but i dont think the healthcare bill is the way to do that... (this is my opinion and it wont change so dont try (which is why people respond to stuff like this)
but i didnt say you wernt smart or that your uneducated
i said that the school system DOESNT teach some of the stuff it should (different argument that i shouldn't have added)
but anyways i said that because i think that most people who support this healthcare bill dont think it through... its cost benefit analysis that i feel you are missing (no offense meant)
i think everyone is clearly stated and understood
to summarize
some people support the bill because we need to change the healthcare system in this nation
other oppose the healthcare bill because it is not the best way to change the healthcare system
that is about all of it
i think it is too expensive and too inefficient
i dont want to say what you think you already know what you think
and we could argue points all day
but im done... did the whole argue till you drop and i was the last one standing
but that doesnt mean im right or your wrong
nor does it mean your right and im wrong
END OF DISCUSSION
im itching for a good argument but on the forum is NOT the place for it
if you want (just for the heck of it) krayt, we can go to MSN and get it on... your choice
please lets stop on the forum tho
i like the fact we are all END NOW
but before we do... XXX
lol
how are the healthcare systems ranks
anyone can say so and so has the best healthcare (for anyreason really its more important how they rank us than where your ranked)
dont take everything at face value...
(havent looked into it and your probably right ours isnt the BEST but maybe its the best for OUR country? ever think of it that way??? or maybe its not and could be improved? but i dont think the healthcare bill is the way to do that... (this is my opinion and it wont change so dont try (which is why people respond to stuff like this)
but i didnt say you wernt smart or that your uneducated
i said that the school system DOESNT teach some of the stuff it should (different argument that i shouldn't have added)
but anyways i said that because i think that most people who support this healthcare bill dont think it through... its cost benefit analysis that i feel you are missing (no offense meant)
i think everyone is clearly stated and understood
to summarize
some people support the bill because we need to change the healthcare system in this nation
other oppose the healthcare bill because it is not the best way to change the healthcare system
that is about all of it
i think it is too expensive and too inefficient
i dont want to say what you think you already know what you think
and we could argue points all day
but im done... did the whole argue till you drop and i was the last one standing
but that doesnt mean im right or your wrong
nor does it mean your right and im wrong
END OF DISCUSSION
im itching for a good argument but on the forum is NOT the place for it
if you want (just for the heck of it) krayt, we can go to MSN and get it on... your choice
please lets stop on the forum tho
i like the fact we are all END NOW
but before we do... XXX
lol
Darth Krayt- Lord of the Sith
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- Post n°25
Re: I don't like Obama
yeah I agree. Like I said the new bill isn't nearly enough, but better than any of the bills put up by the republican party. My statement about education wasnt directed at you. I was referring to Darth Trebonius coment earlier. I agree with you our education system doesnt teach the important things.
As far as the national study on health care that I linked on the previous post.
It was done by the World Health Organization. You can find many other studies done by other organizations. They all pretty much say the same thing. Our health care is nothing to be proud of. I dont take everything at face value. Thats why I dont make statements like we have the best health care with no evidence to back it, and I am not saying that you do either, but there are people dumb enough to think we do.(glenn beck)
As far as the national study on health care that I linked on the previous post.
It was done by the World Health Organization. You can find many other studies done by other organizations. They all pretty much say the same thing. Our health care is nothing to be proud of. I dont take everything at face value. Thats why I dont make statements like we have the best health care with no evidence to back it, and I am not saying that you do either, but there are people dumb enough to think we do.(glenn beck)